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Interesting Post... How "Agile" Is The Concept of Scrum? http://bit.ly/ctpiD6 -
@mcottmeyer this blog points out one of my chief problems with scrum-inflexibility w/o guidance when it is in places it won't work. -
if there is not a one size fits all set of practices, it's reasonable to ask where practices don't fit.
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then it's reasonable to ask where scrum practices don't fit without being accused of bashing it.
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@alshalloway Yeah, I agree. I think Scrum is more flexible than many allow. It's the lack of guidance when the vanilla version fails.
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@alshalloway I've got a blog post hopped up that will hopefully start some discussion around that.
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@mcottmeyer agreed. And the insistence that one must do it by the book at first. Sorry, don't agree with Shu Ha Ri in knowledge based work.
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@alshalloway @mcottmeyer How do you see Shu Ha Ri differing from e.g. Dreyfus Model? Esp in context of knowledge work? -
@flowchainsensei i believe a combination of dreyfuss and schook models are necessary. start by doing with understanding of principles
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@flowchainsensei coach can tailor practices to your situation. but you need to understand why he's doing what he's doing
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@flowchainsensei kanban as transition model works because can start where you are, but use principles of WIP management to move forward
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@flowchainsensei shu ha ri is best justification for needing a consultant to help you for a long time i can think of.
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@flowchainsensei a good consultant will get you free of them as soon as possible
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@alshalloway "coach can tailor practices..." do you mean coaching practices, or e.g. agile practices?
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@alshalloway Depends on whose definition of "good" you're using... ;}
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@alshalloway I think shu ha ri applies just as much to self-teaching as to studying under a guru or master.
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@flowchainsensei the practices the team needs to follow
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@alshalloway @flowchainsensei Funny that you took the discussion in the Shu-Ha-Ri direction. My next post is going to explore that a bit.
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@flowchainsensei I tend to generalize them into the same basic idea. Learning is a progression.
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@mcottmeyer @alshalloway Read George Leonards "Mastery" decades ago - makes much the same point #topbook #aikido #learning
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@flowchainsensei @alshalloway @mcottmeyer Shu-Ha-Ri is 3 levels; Dreyfus 5 levels for the same thing, harder to remember, no great advantage -
@alshalloway @mcottmeyer "don't agree with Shu Ha Ri in knowledge based work". Interesting view, I see it the same. What's wrong/missing?
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@alshalloway re:"one of my chief problems with X w/o guidance when it is in places it won't work" Where is an X where it will? I think none.
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@flowchainsensei I vote also for out-of-band experiements, because there's a known fall-back pattern.
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@TotherAlistair dreyfus doesn't make a big fuss about just do it. Software is not like the karate kid scene of wax on wax off
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